- What aspects of SOAPS should be considered in deciding if writing is effective? Why?
- Based on your response to the first question, which speaker is more effective: Dimmesdale in chapter 3 or Chillingworth in chapter 4?
Tuesday, September 2, 2014
Effective writing
Through a close reading of Dimmesdale's speech in chapter 3 and Chillingworth's speech in chapter 4, you should be developing an understanding of how a speaker can be effective. Answer the following questions in the comments to generate a discussion of effective writing and speaking.
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1: I feel as if all aspects of SOAPS are important when making an effective speech
ReplyDeleteOccasion is important because it changes the way you address the problem based on what is happening around you.
Audience is also important because you must adapt the way you are speaking and how you are discussing a subject in order to best interact with the audience
Purpose is why you are giving the speech and if you do not care enough to address all aspects of soap then you do not care to get your point across
Subject can be important if it is an important or serious subject vs something more comical
and Speaker is important in making sure you are comfortable, everyone has a style of speaking/writing and if you have to step out of your bounds your speech will probably be less effective
2: Dimmesdale's speech though effective (especially according to the narrator) did not elicit a productive response. Chillingworth's, however, more effectively got his point across and though he did not find out who the father is he did manage to make Hester take an oath.
First, all aspects of SOAPS are important in determining the quality of a speech. They are all important because they all make up different parts of the speech. I feel that Chillingworth had the more effective speech because he had a strong purpose and subject that was backed up by a powerful speaker position and a very direct and applicable audience. Also his occasion is a lot more relevant to Hester than Dimmesdale.
ReplyDelete1) Although all aspects of SOAPS should be addressed when evaluating a speech, I do think some are more important than others. I believe that the speaker would be the greatest factor in deciding how effective a speech is. This is because the speaker determines the style of the speech. A good speaker will be able to adapt to any audience in any circumstance. I believe than anyone can be swayed a certain way depending how how they are approached.
ReplyDelete2) i think that Dimmesdale had the more effective speech. Sometimes people forget that Dimmesdale is likely the father so his speech was not made to convince Hester to confess. His speech was more geared to the townspeople and it was made to convince them that Hester deserves sympathy, which it did. Chillingsorth on the other hand was trying to get Hester to say who the father was but pushed Hester the other way. If anything he convinced her that she should never confess.
What aspects of SOAPS should be considered in deciding if writing is effective? Why?
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I think you should consider all aspects of SOAPS. It exists for a reason, and that reason is to be used. Each part is very important to different aspects of each speech.
Based on your response to the first question, which speaker is more effective: Dimmesdale in chapter 3 or Chillingworth in chapter 4?
I believe that Chillingsworth was the more effective speaker. His speech was more focused, and did a better job of obtaining what he wanted.
I think Chillingsworth was more effective. He had a strong and obvious purpose, and overall his word choice and voice throughout the speech got his message across much better than Dimmsdale. He strongly threatened Esther, and I think all the emotion he had behind the speech really helped out.
ReplyDeleteS- He was just speaking to Esther so he didn't really have an audience to think about
O- He had every right to be angry. It was a pretty big occasion, fiding out that your wife cheated on you.
A- he didn't have an audience except for Esther
P- he wanted to scare Esther into getting his information
1. I think each aspect of SOAPS is important when assessing the effectiveness of a speech, but like Mekayla, I think speaker is the most important. Thinking of the speaker's background with the other aspects helps the reader decide if their point was clearly made.
ReplyDelete2. I think Chillingworth was the more effective speaker. Although he did not get the information he wanted, he did make his point very clear. His purpose was obvious, he is going to find out who the father of Hester's baby is. His speech was more direct and a productive response came as a result, Hester taking an oath of secrecy. Dimmesdale's speech was murky and did not really create a productive result.
1. I think each aspect of SOAPS is equally important because they all balance each other and help to make a speech stronger. If one aspect of SOAPS was missing then the whole thing would be off balanced.
ReplyDelete2. I believe that Chillingworth was a more effective speaker. He wasn't in a situation that could potentially ruin him such as Dimmesdale was. I think that deep down, Chillingworth knew that Hester was an understanding women and would not tell his secret and would accept his oath. Although he didn't discover who the father was, he did ensure that his secret would stay a secret.
1. I believe that all aspects of SOAPS are need in order to create a compelling speech. If one were to remove any one part of SOAPS the speech would lose some emotional value or the audience would not feel as relevant as they should be. The purpose of every aspect of SOAPS is to make the audience as interested in the speakers words as possible so in order to achieve maximum effectiveness in one's writing he or she would need to include all aspects.
ReplyDelete2. In total I believe that Chillingworth was a more effective speaker than Dimmesdale. Chillingworth's victor came from one very important aspect, conviction. He truly want, no needed the name of Hester's paramour and his need could be felt through his words. It is this aspect that Dimmesdale lacks in his speech, in which I personally felt that he was, though very eloquently, running through a very extravagant speech with no real intent to gain any useful information.
I think that all aspects of SOAPS should be considered in deciding if writing is effective. However the purpose and the subject, I think are the most important to have because without them the writing has no real meaning and may not relate. Based on this I think that Chillingworth had a more effective speech because his purpose was more focused and subject had more of a pathos effect.
ReplyDelete1.) I believe all aspects of SOAPS are important when giving a speech. They all cooperate with each other in creating an effective speech. SOAPS create an effective speech by getting the listener/reader to understand and see the point of view of the speaker.
ReplyDelete2.) I believe that Dimmesdale's speech was more effective because we know he is the father of Pearl. He would not try to get Hester to confess him as the father, but make a scene to create sympathy from the listeners for Hester. Chillingworth's speech had opposite purpose of Dimmesdale's speech and had no effect on Hester.
Basically all the aspects of SOAPS are important in deciding the effectiveness of a speech. The subject id kind of a basis to begin the speech, the occasion gives a setting/mood to the speech, the audience is the people affected by the speech or to whom the speech is directed, the purpose is probably the best measure of the effectiveness of the speech considering that if the purpose is not clearly understood the speech will make less sense.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Chillingworth's speech was the more effective one. He was able to instill some level of fear in Hester Prynne, but also managed to make the audience and the reader feel sympathy for him (sympathy is felt when Chillingworth talks about his slight deformities and how Hester was able to make him a happier person when he was lonely but she still cheated in him.) Chillingworth also made it so Hester would not reveal his true identity with his speech.
All aspects of SOAPS should be considered in deciding the effectiveness of a speech. Each aspect has an importance that can not be out matched by any other aspect.
ReplyDeleteChillingsworth's speech was the most effective. He was able to address each and every one of the aspects in a way that allowed the reader to completely understand what he was saying.
All aspects of SOAPS should be considered. Firstly, a speech's presentation will hinge upon the speaker's oratory skill, and reputation. How the audience views the speaker, and how effectively the speaker can deliver a message will drastically change the effectiveness and approach to a speech. Secondly, the occasion is also very important, because it will change the tone of the speech, depending on if the event is positive or negative, also a skilled orator will use the occasion to his advantage. Next, audience may be the most important, because they are the one the speaker is trying to persuade. The skilled orator will use what they know about a person to guide their speech, they use the audiences personal beliefs and feelings to make the speech more effective. After that there is purpose which is tied in importance with audience, because it is the goal of the speech, it is its driving goal, it is the speech's defining feature.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Dimmesdale was the more effective speaker. He was able to not only adapt to Hester, but to the whole crowd, and was still extremely effective. Everyone was moved, even baby Pearl. While he failed to convince Hester, he convinced the crowd, and he was able to do it with out Chillingworth's excessive use of fear, and self depreciation.
1. I believe that every aspect of SOAPS is important in creating an effective speech. I do think that the purpose is the most important out of the different parts because it explains to the reader the reasoning behind the speech and it can often help further explain the other aspects of SOAPS.
ReplyDelete2. I think that Chillingworth's speech was more effective. His use of pathos definitely helped him achieve what he wanted. His tactic seemed very sneaky. Although he did not receive the information he wanted in the end, he effectively got his point across and made it clear what his position is on the situation and what will happen next.
1) I think that all of the all of the parts of SOAP are important when trying to decide if a passage or a section of speech is effective or not. They work best when together, rather than separate, and support each other. Subject is important because it is the basis and main idea of the passage. However, there would be no point of having a piece of passage without a purpose. The subject and purpose are created from an occasion, which is then directed at an appropriate audience. The speaker, overall, has the most control over the passage. The speaker controls how the subject is connected to the occasion and how it is presented to the audience in a way that supports their purpose.
ReplyDelete2) I think that Chillingworth's passage was more effective. The speaker presented his passage in a way that clearly outlined that his purpose was to find the father of the baby without sharing his secret. The subject of the passage arose from Chillingworth wanting to know who the true father of the baby was.
1.) When figuring out if a speech is affective, all parts of SOAPS should be considered, because they all act in harmony with each other. The way that the speaker formats their speech is directly affected by who is in the audience, what the occasion is, and what purpose they have for making the speech, as well as what it is about. However, the purpose is important to keep in mind when evaluating the effectiveness of the speech, because that is what the speaker needs to accomplish when delivering their speech.
ReplyDelete2.) When it comes to which speaker was more effective, Chillingworth completed his task, whereas Dimmesdale just sort of made empty threats against Hester's soul, and why she should confess. Chillingworth managed to get Hester to take an oath to keep his secret, but Dimmesdale didn't really get a concrete result.
I believe all parts of SOAPS are important in determining the effectiveness of an author's writing. The speaker, occasion, audience, purpose, and subject are all intertwined and and must be used together to analyze the writing adequately.
ReplyDeleteChillingworth's speech was far more effective than Dimmesdale's. Dimmesdale lacked elaboration in all parts of SOAPS and generally came off as vague. Chillingworth let his mind be known in a far more organized and better flowing speech.
1. SOAPS needs to be present in any piece of literature to be considered effective. If any of the pieces of SOAPS were not present, then the reader would often be left confused about some aspects of the text. For instance, if a speaker was not included in a certain text then the reader could possibly not understand who is talking and they would not be able to understand the speaker considerations.
ReplyDelete2. I would have to agree with some of the above statements. It is true that in Chillingworth's speech to Hester, he seemed to elicit a lot more of an emotional response from Hester than Dimmesdale ever did.
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ReplyDelete1. The different aspects of SOAPS are not simply things that can be severed from one another. Each part directly affects another. Many aspects are inherent to speaking in general, like speaker, audience, and occasion. Also, one when speaking must have a purpose and be speaking on a subject. In terms of effectiveness, SOAPS does not really determine much. It speaks more of the circumstance, rather than the core argument. I believe effectiveness is more determined by the rhetorical appeals and a clear definition of the individual aspects of SOAPS.
ReplyDelete2. Based on my answer above, I believe that both orators' speeches had clearly defined aspects of SOAPS. Chillingworth, in the end, I believe had the more effective speech as he more readily used the rhetorical appeals, as where the only real use that Dimmesdale made was commenting on the fate of the two, wretched sinners.
1. Every aspect in SOAPS is vital to decide whether a speech is effective or not but I feel as if purpose is especially essential because anyone can give a speech but not every speech can be marked as effective if one does not fill its purpose.
ReplyDelete2. I found Chillingsworth's speech to be the most effective because he fulfilled his purpose by getting what he wanted out of Hester and having her take the oath.
1. I believe that every part of SOAPS are necessary in determining the effectiveness of a speech. All five parts work equally together to prove a point. If one part is lacking, the speech may easily fall apart. At first I thought purpose was the most important aspect because there is always a point to get across, but for example if the purpose is great but the speaker doesn't know how to get that point across, then the ideas in the speech are basically pointless because the audience can not understand or interpret the idea.
ReplyDelete2. I believe that Chillingworth's speech was more effective because he was more specific and in detail to his target audience. He made his purpose for the audience clearer than Dimmesdale did. Hester could conclude exactly what Chillingworth wanted, while Dimmesdale's speech was more vague and subtle.
1.) All aspects of SOAPS should be included in a writing that you would call effective. If you do not have all of these things then you do not have a fully developed effective thought.
ReplyDelete2.) I believe Chillingworth is the more effective speaker. He got his point across very clearly. He used all aspects of SOAPS very effectively. He was very manipulative towards Hester. He did not get the name of the baby's father but he did get Hester to swear not reveal his true identity. So in the end Chillingworth got the most important thing accomplished.
#1) When it comes to SOAPS i believe that each and everyone of them should be used in order to make it an effective piece because if there is a limited amount of them then it causes the readers to be a lot less likely to know what is going on in the story.
ReplyDelete#2) I believe that the between Chillingworth and Demmesdal, Demmesdal was the one who better showed more SOAPS when he spoke because he used different perspectives to help us better understand that yes he has done wrong also with Hester but also he doesn't not want to have to deal with all the pain and agony that comes with that. Demmesdal made it perfectly clear to Hester that she better not tell anyone his secret or he will come after her.
1. I believe that all aspects of soaps are need to create an effective speech, but one of the most important is audience. The speaker must be able to identify the members of their audience to make sure that they use word choice that is effectively appeals to their audience.
ReplyDelete2. Chillingworth had a more effective speech because he was able to create a speech were he was able to effectively persuade Hester not to reveal his true identity. He used word choice and other effective tools to build a speech in which really appeal to Hester's emotion and in the end was able to persuade Hester.
I think the most important aspects of SOAPS would be Audience and Purpose and Speaker. The audience is important because if you're talking about how the Declaration of Independence is such a great piece of writing to a bunch of three year olds, your speech/writing won't be very effective. Now Speaker is also important because I doubt an audience of politicians will pay attention to a fast food employee talk about politics. Overall Purpose may be the most important because it could change all of these situations:
ReplyDelete-A person talking to three year olds about a new candy store (purpose to pretty much advertise the new candy store and gain customers! Lol)
-A fast food employee explaining to a politician (who I guess got hungry and wanted some fast food) what's on why menu (ingredients, calories and such)
I think Chillingsworth was more effective because his audience was his wife. He was sympathetic towards her but also persuasive in a sense that he wanted her to keep their secret and to also tell him who the father was. Although he didn't get her to tell him who the father was, his "speech" to her did effect the way she viewed the overall situation.
1. I believe SOAPS in effective when every aspect of SOAPS is addressed in an argument. Without even one aspect in SOAPS addressed, one's speech seems to lack purpose or is unable to create a definitive argument.
ReplyDelete2. With this said, I believe Dimesdale made just that mistake by not adaquatley addressing the audience and only appealing to the townspeople rather than Hester. By not convincing Hester, he never accomplished his purpose of eliciting Hester's fellow sinner. In comparison, Chillingworth, addressed every aspect of SOAPS and used multiple rhetorical appears to make a more well-crafted and convincing argument.
As stated by a few speakers above, all aspects of SOAPS are directly related and can effect each other in multiple ways. However your audience is ultimately what decides if your speech. If your audience decides you are a good speaker then you will have a good speech, and since the audiences decision is based on opinion, their can be multiple results.
ReplyDeleteI believe all aspects of SOAPS should be used to create an effective speech. All of the different parts of SOAPS are interconnected. By using all of the SOAPS, the speaker is able to convince the crowd of what he is saying. However, audience is very important, because the audience affects the rest of SOAPS.
ReplyDeleteI believe DImmesdale was the better speaker, because he was able to make the people listen to what he was saying. Due to the reason of why DImmesdale was speaking, it was important that he turn the audience to his way of thinking. He appealed to the audience and even Hester and her child.
All aspects of SOAPS are important for speeches. It contains all the necessary elements for writing a effective speech, like choosing the right audience for the readers or making sure the occasion of the speech is right.
ReplyDeleteChillingworth's speech was better constructed and more persuasive than Dimmesdale's. Chillingworth's speech appealed more to the reader by adding emotion into it, like making us feel sorry for him. It also convinced Hester to take an oath. Thats why Chillingworth's speech is more efffective.
1) Personally, I feel that all aspects of SOAPS are important. If one wishes to create the perfect speech, it doesn't need to contain emphasis on all parts at once every time. I feel that generally, as long as the speaker can get their point across to the audience as well as connect with them to produce a more effective result.
ReplyDelete2) I think that Chillingworth's speech was far better and more effective than Dimmesdale's speech. Chillingworth's speech received the desired result by making sure that Hester doesn't reveal him. It was more persuasive and more sympathetic to Hester which appealed to her in her current situation.
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ReplyDelete1) I agree that each aspect of SOAPS is important, but I believe that purpose is one of the most important part of SOAPS is purpose. Without stating your purpose, you cannot effectually get your point across. There would be no reason to give the speech if there was no purpose.
ReplyDelete2)After reading Dimmsdale's speech and Chilingworth's speech, Chilingworth's speech resulted in being the better one. Chilingworth's gets his point across and initially get what he is wanting. While Dimmsdale's speech wasn't necessarily clear or to the point. Resulting him in not getting what he desired.
I think every part of SOAPS is important. For a speech to be effective there needs to be a balance between all of the parts. With that said, I think that Chillingworth's speech was the most effective. Even though he wasn't able to get the name of Pearl's father he was able to persuade Hester to keep his identity a secret.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the fact that all aspects of SOAPS are important, but I think there are a few aspects that are more important than the others. The occasion is very necessary because if you don't have a reason to to speak then what you're saying is pointless. Also the audience is very important as well if people aren't present that are interested in or affected by your topic then they will not be engaged in your speech and therefore the speech will not be as effective.
ReplyDeleteChillingworth's speech was the most effective because Hester was present and was wondering what was going on with him and where he had been, so that provided him the occasion. Also Roger wanted to find out who the father of Pearl was. The topic only pertains to Hester and Roger therefore Roger's audience is perfect and this allows him to give a very effective speech.
As my Classmates before me stated, all aspects of SOAPS are important however, i believe that if the occasion happened where we had to choose one quality, i think that the speak would have the most influence. I completely understand Haley's view on audience, but i think a talented speaker can captivate any audience; and momentary make you believe everything they are saying is the truth- even if they aren't really saying anything at all.
ReplyDeleteThough i disagree about which SOAP is most effective, i completely agree that Chillingsworth speech was most effective. Dimmesdale lacked purpose and didn't know his speech would be met with.